The Debate Thread!

Castiel wrote:

Angellina wrote:

Should we get a new topic? WOW, WE'RE QUICK. Maybe we should pick one that is a bit harder to think about?

Death penalty or the legalization of currently illegal drugs, maybe?

 Both of those are good with me.

Honestly, I'm a bit bamboozled every time religion (primarily Chistianity) is brought up when discussing gay rights. I mean, it's a bit selfish, really. Like, I'm going to let YOUR interpretation of YOUR religion define MY rights? No no no no no. (Also, notice how I said "interpretation" because there are, thank goodness, sensible Christians). This is why I believe church and state should be separate. I mean, there are hundreds of religions and none are made out to be as anti-gay as Christianity. Like, yeah, it may be the primary religion of the world but does that mean we're going to ignore all other religions (also agnostics and atheists) who are pro-gay when it comes to "doing what's right" or determining who deserves basic human rights? Noooope.

I think that we should do the next topic on bullying~ like do bullying programs work in schools or do they not...

Owl wrote:

Honestly, I'm a bit bamboozled every time religion (primarily Chistianity) is brought up when discussing gay rights. I mean, it's a bit selfish, really. Like, I'm going to let YOUR interpretation of YOUR religion define MY rights? No no no no no. (Also, notice how I said "interpretation" because there are, thank goodness, sensible Christians). This is why I believe church and state should be separate. I mean, there are hundreds of religions and none are made out to be as anti-gay as Christianity. Like, yeah, it may be the primary religion of the world but does that mean we're going to ignore all other religions (also agnostics and atheists) who are pro-gay when it comes to "doing what's right" or determining who deserves basic human rights? Noooope.

You pretty much hit the nail right on the head there. Like, certain Christians, Muslims, Mormons, etc. tend to complain about them needing 'religious freedom' when it comes to the topic of gay rights, but???? It's no longer 'religious freedom' when it begins to oppress others and gets in the way of their freedom, if you get what I'm trying to say. The personal religion and moral beliefs of one should not be able to dictate the personal life of someone else.  

Castiel wrote:

Owl wrote:

Honestly, I'm a bit bamboozled every time religion (primarily Chistianity) is brought up when discussing gay rights. I mean, it's a bit selfish, really. Like, I'm going to let YOUR interpretation of YOUR religion define MY rights? No no no no no. (Also, notice how I said "interpretation" because there are, thank goodness, sensible Christians). This is why I believe church and state should be separate. I mean, there are hundreds of religions and none are made out to be as anti-gay as Christianity. Like, yeah, it may be the primary religion of the world but does that mean we're going to ignore all other religions (also agnostics and atheists) who are pro-gay when it comes to "doing what's right" or determining who deserves basic human rights? Noooope.

You pretty much hit the nail right on the head there. Like, certain Christians, Muslims, Mormons, etc. tend to complain about them needing 'religious freedom' when it comes to the topic of gay rights, but???? It's no longer 'religious freedom' when it begins to oppress others and gets in the way of their freedom, if you get what I'm trying to say. The personal religion and moral beliefs of one should not be able to dictate the personal life of someone else.  

Yep, My friend (megan) turned down someone because she wasn't in her religion. He was Muslim and she was Luthren

I don't even do religion at all. My best friend was highly religious though so her dad keeps telling me to do all this religious stuff. I just didn't know what to say it made me feel like a bull in a china shop O.o

honestly, it bothers me when people point stuff like gay rights at religions as a whole??? like, i understand that there are religions where a majority of people are against it, but that doesn't mean it's that religion's fault. i'm mormon myself (don't judge!) and i'm not going to tell anyone off because they're gay. i may not be a huge supporter of being gay, but that only means that i'm going to marry a man. if others want to marry who they want to, it's their choice and i'm fine by that. you can make rules for your own religion, but other religions are not bound to your religion.

I totally respect gay rights. it doesn't make sense to judge people on their sexuality.

I don't why people even care in the first place. So what if someone's gay? They just do whatever they want with their lives and you do whatever you want with yours. It's not like it's going to affect your life if someone else is gay. There's more important issues to deal with than gay rights, the goverment should've just let them be gay and focus on more important things in the first place.

o wrote:

honestly, it bothers me when people point stuff like gay rights at religions as a whole??? like, i understand that there are religions where a majority of people are against it, but that doesn't mean it's that religion's fault. i'm mormon myself (don't judge!) and i'm not going to tell anyone off because they're gay. i may not be a huge supporter of being gay, but that only means that i'm going to marry a man. if others want to marry who they want to, it's their choice and i'm fine by that. you can make rules for your own religion, but other religions are not bound to your religion.

Sorry if I do sound as if I'm generalizing/lumping the religions together as a whole when discussing gay rights b/c that's not my intention! Usually when I mention the religion's name to refer to the group associated with it during the discussion of gay rights I'm only referring to the part of the religious group(s) that tends to be more anti-gay than not. u-u

o wrote:

honestly, it bothers me when people point stuff like gay rights at religions as a whole??? like, i understand that there are religions where a majority of people are against it, but that doesn't mean it's that religion's fault.i'm mormon myself (don't judge!) and i'm not going to tell anyone off because they're gay. i may not be a huge supporter of being gay, but that only means that i'm going to marry a man. if others want to marry who they want to, it's their choice and i'm fine by that. you can make rules for your own religion, but other religions are not bound to your religion.

*Hugs You*

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Religion doesn't really have much to do with being Gay. I personally believe it's mostly the government.

Angellina wrote:

o wrote:

honestly, it bothers me when people point stuff like gay rights at religions as a whole??? like, i understand that there are religions where a majority of people are against it, but that doesn't mean it's that religion's fault.i'm mormon myself (don't judge!) and i'm not going to tell anyone off because they're gay. i may not be a huge supporter of being gay, but that only means that i'm going to marry a man. if others want to marry who they want to, it's their choice and i'm fine by that. you can make rules for your own religion, but other religions are not bound to your religion.

*Hugs You*

The bolded sentences <333


Religion doesn't really have much to do with being Gay. I personally believe it's mostly the government.

Yayyy who cares if someone is gay lets just all be friends kay

Castiel wrote:

o wrote:

honestly, it bothers me when people point stuff like gay rights at religions as a whole??? like, i understand that there are religions where a majority of people are against it, but that doesn't mean it's that religion's fault. i'm mormon myself (don't judge!) and i'm not going to tell anyone off because they're gay. i may not be a huge supporter of being gay, but that only means that i'm going to marry a man. if others want to marry who they want to, it's their choice and i'm fine by that. you can make rules for your own religion, but other religions are not bound to your religion.

Sorry if I do sound as if I'm generalizing/lumping the religions together as a whole when discussing gay rights b/c that's not my intention! Usually when I mention the religion's name to refer to the group associated with it during the discussion of gay rights I'm only referring to the part of the religious group(s) that tends to be more anti-gay than not. u-u

it's alright, it just bothers me when people stereotype religions based on only a majority opinion. like people will say "it's all because of christians!" or "all christians are dumb and shouldn't believe in god" just because a lot of christians are anti-gay. the same goes for all stereotypes, like asian drivers and blonde chicks.